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Postby APerfect10 » Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:22 am

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Postby Rhound50 » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:41 am

I think maybe you just had some bad luck, flush over flush is pretty rare. The problem with suite connectors heads up, is you are almost never getting odds to call a bet with a naked flush draw since you are getting just 1 to 1 on your money, and your are less likely to get someone stack when the flush card hits. Since there are so many flush chasers out there.
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:33 am

I am also in the camp who prefers them heads up. When your heads up though in a raised pot, you have to take charge of the hand and play agressively.

You cant just sit there and draw to your hand. You have to raise and try to push them off their hand. If they fold you win and if they call you have outs so its usually a profitable play.

By the way, I wouldnt call 4-6BB raises small.
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Postby palman » Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:53 am

"The problem with suite connectors heads up, is you are almost never getting odds to call a bet with a naked flush draw since you are getting just 1 to 1 on your money"

Regardless of the amount of people who see the flop, just how many hands in NL do you play that aren't heads up past the flop or turn? Most hands that start off with 6 players end up heads up by the turn anyways, so I'd rather play the hand short as well, since it decreases the liklihood of flush over flush.
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Postby APerfect10 » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:56 am

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Postby devilmollusk » Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:12 pm

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Postby poker2006 » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:03 pm

Perfect, what is you PF Raise% if you raise connectors as well? How do you play small pairs, so you also raise them, and what's your play when you hit/miss the set?
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Postby APerfect10 » Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:28 pm

PFR% is low but I am trying to get it up after my analysis (see Poker tracker forum) Recently it is in the 5.5-6.5% range. Ideally I think I would like it to be around 7-7.5%.

And yes, I have to raise with my medium PP (7-10) from MP & LP and JJ up from anywhere on the table. If I miss my set with mid PP and depending on the amount of callers and what the flop looks like I will usually lead out but this is really dependent on the players. If I am heads up I will bet out the overwhelming majority of the time regardless of what hits. My theory is that I have the best hand unless if you tell me otherwise. If I flop a set, the majority of the time I play it the same way although I do mix it up from time to time so that my opponents do not necessarily try to steal the pot when I check a missed flop.
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Postby devilmollusk » Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:45 pm

This hand just happened. Good example of a suited connector hand I think. Admittedly I draw out on the river, but I was ahead when the money went in. The important issue is that I knew exactly what he had, and I knew I could take his stack if I hit.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (8 handed)

MP1 ($24.65)
Hero ($29.80)
CO ($10.35)
Button ($24)
SB =#A500AF(Villian)/ ($24.40)
BB ($15.05)
UTG ($26.40)
UTG+1 ($19.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [9d], [8d].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, SB =#A500AF(Villian)/ raises to $2.1, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $1.10.

Flop: ($4.70) [Jh], [9c], [8s] (2 players)
Villian bets $2.25, Hero is all in $11.45, Villian calls

Turn: ($29.85) [Jc] (2 players)

River: ($29.85) [9h] (2 players)

Final Pot: $29.85

Results in white below:
Villian has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
Hero has 9d 8d (full house, nines full of jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $29.85.
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Postby Zarathustra » Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:51 am

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Postby Zarathustra » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:02 am

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What is wrong with my suited connector??

Postby AlexMR » Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:56 pm

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Re: What is wrong with my suited connector??

Postby rdale » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:50 pm

I usually only raise with these in mid-position if I'm opening and late position with one or two limpers, the weaker the limpers are as players the more likely I am to raise with them. I never really monkey around too much with raising out of position with them. I play mostly short handed and am in position half the time anyways, I don't feel the need to force it. I like to think that it is a much better play than raising 93o on the button, as even though 78[c] is still a mediocre hand it has a lot of potential to make a real hand or draw. Raising them or not to raise them? That depends on your current table image and the other players.

Some tables I find it really only profitable to raise AA-JJ as the presence of more than one calling station makes the value of these go down, if every hand is going thru all five board cards and lots of weak betting on every street, I'm going to limp and try to make a big hand. If the hand ends at the flop at my table 60% of the time I'm raising all kinds of things and playing position.

Calling raises... is all about implied odds, what kind of hand you think your opponent needs to raise and your position. I see the SCs as having a couple of ways to win, you can flop a monster such as a straight, you can use position to push AK AQ or whatever missed your opponents hand to win, you can pick up a strong draw and play it very fast and either get called or they fold.

Truth be told I'm happier in the drivers seat with suited connectors at a tightish table. You know if you get called post flop you can put your guy on some sort of hand most of the time and proceed with caution from there, you are going to have to back into a hand that can beat at least top pair.
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