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Standard to lead the river and fold to a raise here?

Postby Devbert » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:23 am

Local house game in Pacific Beach, mostly a mix of younger guys all with a lot of playing experience against each other. Buy-in $200, blinds $1/2.

I'm sitting in the small on a stack of about $300oish or so (I got my Aces sucked out on in the first 15 minutes for my whole stack and had to rebuy, so I'm still not up yet).

UTG who is pretty solid LAG opens for $12 and another solid LAG calls in the CO. I look down in the SB and look at Q[c]9[c] and just call, so does the BB.

Four to the flop - K[s]J[s]10[h]

I check, BB bets $20 (a standard TAG, knows how to mix it up but he usually just plays within his table image - he started the hand with about $300 too), everyone folds to me; I make it $85 and he insta-calls.

Turn is K[c].

I check, he immediatly checks behind.

River is 4[h] for a complete board of K[s]J[s]10[h]K[c]4[h]

I've got about a little over $200 left and so does the BB - the pot is a little over $200.

I lead out $75 and plan to fold to a push - is this how I should have played the hand against a solid opponent? My read when he insta-called the flop raise was that he had either K-J or K-10.

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:10 pm

If he insta-called the flop raise I don't think he'd have KJ or KT, he'd usually spend at least a few moments contemplating a re-raise. i'm thinking his most likely hand is a Q or spades. Lead the turn, call a shove.

That said, I would lead the flop.

Also, fold preflop. Q9s OOP vs two good LAGs does not a good hand to play make. That said, I think you're probably underestimating the ability of these LAGs, as good ones are hard to come by and they're probably just running hot.
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Postby Devbert » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:15 pm

Yeah, my call pre-flop wasn't the best decision - I had just won a decent pot in the BB and I wanted to see if I was catching my rush.

Also, I've played with these LAGs for years, so I don't feel like I underestimate their abilities - if you ask Rhound, he'll confirm they are both quality, profitable LAGs.

They weren't running hot in this particular game - though when they run hot they tend to bulldoze the table with aggression.
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Postby Rhound50 » Sun Feb 25, 2007 2:12 pm

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Postby Devbert » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:12 pm

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Postby Devbert » Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:13 pm

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Postby Zmej » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:10 am

IMO turn bet should be a standard play here with a plan to stack off, you shouldn't let Kx for trips (AK, KQ, K9, etc) to get away cheaply. Moreover, on a turn he could have Qx for a straight draw, which would pay off a turn bet, but not a river one.

If he has a full house, so be it. There is far more hands that you beat than the hands that you are behind to.
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Postby Devbert » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:44 pm

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