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Set of Aces Flop Check?

Postby T-Rod » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:15 am

I have a full stack and so does my opponent. He's very loose but I've been able to push him off pots before. I'm OTB and opponent is BB

Hero A[h] A[d]

PF--All folds and hero raises pf to x4bb. Opponent in BB calls.

Flop--4[c] A[c] K[d]---Opponent checks and Hero Checks

Is this a good idea? Thoughts?
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Postby Rhound50 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:40 am

I really dont like this check, first off it looks suspecios. How often do you see someone raise into the blinds and then not bet when it is checked to them, if I bet the turn at you and get raised, it is very obvious that you are slow playing a monste . Second, you flopped a monster but this is a very coordinated board, what happens when the Qc hits on the turn after you checked. Now your chance to win a big pot with you monster is gone unless the circumstances are perfect, 2nd you take the obvious risk of him hitting his gut shot to his two broadway cards. Last but not least you have a monster and you want to build a pot, checking behind doesnt do that.
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Postby BigPhish » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:40 am

OK, wait.

You say you're unable to push him off pots, which means he's calling you down. So why would you check here instead of take the opportunity to get more of his money into the pot?

It's a really bad play if you're typically LAG and he knows it.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:59 am

Why check? You got to bet here IMO - you don't want a [c] to hit and either lose or lose your market.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:18 pm

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Postby BigPhish » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:25 pm

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Postby briachek » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:00 pm

i bet flops 90% or more after I raise preflop, about 100% heads up, whether I miss, hit or kill the flop. Checking behind on the AKx flop makes it look like you have a monster. Just bet it and hope he caught something too as I don't really see him paying you off unless he has a pocket pair and hits a set too or he hits a hand that beats you.
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Postby rdale » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:14 pm

I agree with Briacheck that betting is the answer especially in my raised pots. The best you can hope for with your line is that he will put you on QQ and take KJ too far. The times I don't bet is holding QQ on a Q72r flop or something where it is tough to catch up to beat me at least then it looks like I hold missed AK.

The way I see these type of hands is that all money to be had was made preflop unless they are going to chase something. It is like taking down a raised pot with a set of sevens vs. AK with either a probe bet out of position or with raise or lead in position, you didn't need actually need the set to win, it just helped to make it easy to make the correct play or open up an alternative play on a less than threatening board.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:46 pm

Okay so the consensus was I think 8 in favor of betting and 0 in favor of checking. LOL

Well here were my thoughts on why I check (which I normally don't do):

I just flopped a set of Aces and have the deck crippled. I'm in a way ahead/way behind situation (mostly way ahead). I think betting here doesn't accomplish much because he's probably folding almost anything.

By checking I give him a free card. Since its HU, I'm not too afraid of him drawing to the flush, and I still have full boat outs even if he is. It's a risk. I wouldn't do it multiway. I'm putting him on KJ or KQ type of hand.

Also, by checking, I tell him I'm afraid of the ace which makes him think his K is good.

Turn was a lovely 4[h]. He bet 1/2 pot, I called.
River was a 7[h]. He bet 1/2 pot, and I pushed. He thought and called with K[c] T[d] (huh?).

I think this was a bit of fancy play; however, I disagree with many of you who said that checking the turn makes it look like I have a monster. I think to you savvy BTPrs that's true, but for the typical player, they don't think like that (at least not at the 100NL level).

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Postby AlamdeaMike » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:16 pm

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:28 pm

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Postby black_knight6 » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:42 pm

I actually don't mind the check! If you've pushed him out of pots, then you want him to at least doubt that you have the ace (let alone 2 of em!) and call down the turn. If the board comes 3 clubs, then be careful of reraises etc.
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