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Raise a nut flush on a paired board?

Postby SebQtaneus » Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:50 pm

So I'm making my first ever casino trip later this month and thought I'd lay off the Limit play a bit and work on my NL since that is what I will most likely be playing. I've just recently moved up to playing NL50 and basically just been dabbling in it so far.

I played this the best I could at the time but am wondering just what all you successful NL regulars would have done differently. Should I have raised the river? Sometimes I have a hand that is so good in a potentially huge pot that I start second guessing myself and don't know what the hell to do. This one worked out good for me but I have horrible visions about what it could have turned out like.

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (10 handed)

SB ($68.75)
BB ($72.75)
Hero ($58.00)
UTG+1 ($47.50)
UTG+2 ($85.50)
MP1 ($20.25)
MP2 ($158.75)
MP3 ($41.00)
CO ($30.75)
Button ($54.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Js], [As]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
Hero raises to $1.5, 7 folds (<---what a table image I have! :lol: ) , SB (poster) calls $1.25, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.50) [5s], [3s], [4s] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5, SB calls $5.

Turn: ($19.50) [4h] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $10, Hero raises to $30, SB folds, BB calls $20.

River: ($79.50) [4c] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $79.50
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Postby rdale » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:04 am

The board isn't paired it is tripped, it is time to slow down.
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Postby SebQtaneus » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:37 am

LOL, yes it is tripped. When I wrote the title to the post I was actually referring to my turn raise and whether or not it was the right thing to do. But that obviously doesn't come across when I read the post myself now.

So checking behind him on the river was the right thing to do? I wondered about this afterwards when I replayed the hand in PT and tried to look at it from his point of view. He had [Ac][2c] by the way. I had a very TAG table image and when I tripled his turn bet he had to know that I probably had the flush which makes his call with the low end of the straight a little confusing unless he was praying for a split and hoping that I had the same hand as he did. That being the case, when the 3rd 4 came shouldn't he have pushed knowing that I would have to think that he had just rivered a boat? And since he didn't push, should I have realized at that point that he didn't have the boat and pushed myself? Or would a push be pointless because he wouldn't call it unless he did have the boat? SHEESH! now I have so many thoughts going on about this that I've forgotten where I was.

I think now, looking back at it again, that I did play it right. But I'd still like to here everyones opinion on that.
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Postby shobute » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:32 am

Flop: fine.
Turn: fine. You can also call and keep the pot small if you're worried he filled up.
River: 99.9% of the time checking behind is right.
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Postby T-Rod » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:18 am

I don't like the turn raise. You are raising and buidling a pot. More times than not, if someone calls your raise its because you are beat by a FH. I don't want to escalate the pot unless I know I can win it. You don't know that here.

Also, look at it this way. You "spent" and additonal 20 on the turn raising him. Instead, just call his 10 on the turn. Now when he checks the river you can feel pretty good that you are ahead (ie., would a FH check there? probably not) and you can use some of that 20 to value bet. More reward, less risk.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:55 pm

I think it is a bit of a mistake to raise AJ utg and would probably just limp it (since it is suited, otherwise fold it). There is absolutely no way I am betting that river. I expect to lose to a PP most of the time.
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Postby SebQtaneus » Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:29 pm

Thanks for the replies fellas. This helps me a lot. I just wish I could think that analytically at the time it's happening. Instead, my heart rate shot up and I could practically hear it beating and practically all analytical thought stopped.
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