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Pocket 2's in late position

Postby bkholdem » Mon May 02, 2005 5:24 pm

Anyone play this differently postflop?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)

SB ($10.91)
BB ($79.05)
UTG ($44.1)
UTG+1 ($52.6)
MP1 ($50.3)
MP2 ($8.3)
Hero ($51.25)
CO ($49.25)
Button =#A500AF(Villian)/ ($101.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [2d], [2h]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, Button =#A500AF(Villian)/ calls $2, 2 folds.

Flop: ($4.75) [9c], [2c], [3h] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, Villian raises to $12, Hero calls $45.25 (All-In), Villian calls $37.25.

Turn: ($103.25) [8d] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($103.25) [Kd] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $103.25
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Postby Rhound50 » Mon May 02, 2005 5:48 pm

Post flop no, I really dont like the preflop raise with 22, since more often than not you are going to miss the flop, and when you miss you wont have a draw to semibluff with.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon May 02, 2005 6:45 pm

I agree w/ rhound... I don't really like the PF raise, but, since you did raise, he must have thought you were on an overpair, and so I actually like your postflop play... I would definitely bet out the flop w/ the flush and straight draw, and make him pay if he wants to chase...
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Postby bkholdem » Mon May 02, 2005 9:42 pm

Unfortunately for me he flopped a set of 3's lol
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Tue May 03, 2005 1:18 am

bk... I don't know what the odds of set-over-set are, but they can't possibly be very high... He certainly didn't play it like he hit a set, and you're gonna lose all your money with this no matter what you do... I generally don't worry much about set over set, just like I don't generally worry about running into pocket aces when I have pocket kings... if it happens, it happens, and there's probably nothing that's gonna save me from losing a lot of money...
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Postby euri10 » Tue May 03, 2005 5:33 am

TUP posted a very instructive table of chances of someone having a higher pocket pair than yours...
http://livepokerforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1510
you'll see that in a 10 handed game, with a pp of 2 you have basically 1/3 of chances that someone has a higher pair than yours.
that doesn't give the chances of flopping a set over a better set but give you a pretty good idea of how you are exposed to that.
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Postby bkholdem » Tue May 03, 2005 8:20 am

Thanks for all the feedback guys. I raised preflop hoping to buy the button and being in the postion to get the blind(s) to fold by representing post flop. I have been raising small pocket pairs in LP when I'm first to enter the pot more often lately. I really didn't want to get called. I figured that if I limped I'd be giving up the button to the button and giving him position where I'd have to fold on almost any flop that I don't hit a set. Alternatively I'd be letting the blind in for free. I don't know if that is a mistake or not.

How do other players play small pp's in LP. Is it always limping for set value?

I think a mistake I made was not considering the button for a higher set. I realize most players don't think this much at the small stakes but I've been playing them for a while (blew my roll in the real world and am rebuilding).

As another poster mentioned the blind shold be considering me for an overpair. I don't think that someone wanting a free card raises this much. He either has an overpair to the flop or a set.

Does anyone think he would play TPTK this strong?

So it's push or fold. My mistake was not reasoning through the potential holdings of villian. I'm trying to make a point of doing this rather than getting caught up in the momentum of a hand, going on auto piolet and playing strong preflop hands too strong post flop (and similar situations-I know pocket 2's is not a strong hand preflop this would be one of those 'similar situation' i.e. holding bottom set while representing a high pp, AK, AQ or some other random cards making a continuation bet). In this case I saw my money card and pushed. I am working on slowing down some post flop (thinking more and auto piolet less) and didn't do so in this case.

I think I push here every time and see an overpair the vast majority of the time.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Tue May 03, 2005 11:16 am

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Postby Rhound50 » Tue May 03, 2005 12:34 pm

BK there is no way you can get away from this hand at this level of play. If you fold a set on that board fearing another bigger set you are playing scared. Set over set is really rare, 95% of the time you are going to be up against a hand you have destroyed. Keep playing your sets just like you did here and you will be fine.

As for raising with small PP in late position, I dont do this for a couple of reasons, when you miss you have no draw and if bet and get called you are going to be behind almost every time, even someone on a flush draw has you beat since both of his cards are live and you are statisticlly behind. Reason #2 that I dont reraise here is I dont want someone limp raising me here from EP. I really want to see as many cheap flops as possible with small PP, since they dont hit often but when they do you have a monster.
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