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Playing bottom set in multi way pot

Postby stealthtt385 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:35 pm

I have a full stack and so does my opponent. We're playing $50 NL.

I limp in with 6[s]6[c] from MP1

Flop goes six ways
9[h]6[d]T[d]

It's checked to me and I bet $3
MP3 calls
CO raises to $10
Folded back to hero

Hero reraises to $17
CO reraises all in

The pot is 30 bucks and it costs me 30 to call. Where do you go from here?
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Postby briachek » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:30 pm

I don't min raise back. After he makes it $10, I go all in or make it about $25 depedning on the player which to good players looks weaker than min reraising which is a danger sign. If he was a good player and knew this yet still pushed, you could be in trouble but no way I'm folding. If he raises your $25 all in, you are calling. No way I am folding here because unless he has 99 or TT, you have outs.
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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:22 am

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Postby Stelvask » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:11 am

this is a tough spot. thre are a few more hands that he beats stoneburn are [Ad][9d] and something weird like JJ and AT (this is 50nl afterall, we have to account for the idiot factor).

I think realisticly, you're up against 78.

There was a post earlier about not going broke with bottom set in an unraised pot, but that's why we have bank rolls.

The only way i fold here is if i have a strong enough read on a player to know that he won't play anything i can beat like this (ie. won't play [Qd][Jd] or T9 like this). i have to feel at least 95% certain that i'm behind to either the flopped straight or a higher set to muck here.

Otherwise, all my chips are in on this flop.
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Postby stealthtt385 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:58 am

First of all, I wasn't actually involved in this hand. I was sitting at the table and watched it unfold.

The CO raised to $10, then MP1 min reraised to $17. Cut Off wasted no time and pushed all in. MP1 pondered until time expired to finally call. Before the cards were flipped I knew what they both had. One had 6's and the other had 78 for a flopped straight. The river paired the board giving MP1 a full house, but that's irrelevant.

This hand got me thinking of how MP1 played it using the mini reraise. Normally I wouldn't let go of a set here, but in an unraised pot that goes 6 ways plus facing an all in, this hand isn't looking so pretty. I figure I'm either dominated, slightly dominated or slightly ahead.

When MP1 min reraised it seemed like an information raise. In heinsight it looks like his reraise was crying, "I don't want to commit myself, and I want to see where I am in this hand." But him calling the all in sort of throws that idea out the window.

Does anyone use a min raise/reraise for information? I ask because since I started visiting this forum I have completley thrown out the min raise, but in this situation it seems like it could be benificial.

By the way, if I was MP1 I would have folded.
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