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Postby CocaCola » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:32 am

just a couple of hands i played, maybe some of you may have played them differently:

(Prima $200 NL)

Hand 1
villain and i both have around 200 bucks
preflop: [Kh][Ks] in the SB, folds around to me. i raise to 4 bucks, trying to milk the BB a little. villain reraises for $48. i then...? villain: vpip 26, pfr 2.4

Hand 2
preflop: [Ks][Kd] UTG i limp in. 2 limpers in MP, min raise to 4 from CO, button calls, SB raises to $25. i call, folds around.
flop: 945 two clubs- SB bets 118 all-in, my action? villain vpip 42, pfr 17, agg .86

Hand 3
preflop: i get dealt [Ac][Ah] in late position. MP villain (same guy from hand 2) min-raises to 4, folds to me, i raise to $10, villain calls.
flop: J82 rainbow- villain checks, i bet $20, villain min-raises- 40, i call
turn: 4- villain bets 50, has 50 left, my action?

is there anything wrong with what ive done so far in the hands? i'll post the results after some sleep.
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Re: playing big pp's

Postby rdale » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:41 am

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Postby CocaCola » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:49 am

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Postby k3nt » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:40 am

Hand 1 is an easy push preflop. His range of hands in a battle of the blinds is probably AK AA QQ JJ and maybe even TT AQ. You're ahead more often than not.
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Postby briachek » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:29 am

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Postby CocaCola » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:17 pm

hand 1: as you said k3nt, theres a range of hands he could've had, i figured i was ahead i went all in, he turned over aces. this is the quickest i have ever lost 200 dollars. after the hand i really regretted calling, thinking about how next time i would fold kings if i was put in the same predicament. although i dont think i could ever fold kings preflop, i should have cold called, and see if he slowed down after the flop thinking i had aces.

hand 2: similar situation happens, i fold to his bet though, his aggression after the flop is close to 0, i really believed he had aces here, i needed to reraise preflop. i was affected by hand 1 of course, i didn't want to lose a bunch of money to aces again, but more than likely im playing too weak here since 100% of you would reraise or push pre-flop in this situation.

hand 3: i have a tight table image i think, i only show down winners, theres no reason for this guy to believe im bluffing. his ag is .83, he min raised on the flop, no doubt he has aces or a set im folding on the turn. im pretty sure i would have folded this hand no matter what, but i should have reraised on the flop, taking the part of the aggressor and folding after a rereraise or getting a free card on the turn. the villain said he had a set, which i believe
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Postby bensberg » Wed Aug 03, 2005 1:32 pm

I've really been working on trying to avoid KK v. AA. I probably wouldn't actually fold in these situations because I see KK and think "Yes! All-in! I can't looooooose... FUCK!", but I think there are things we can take note of to avoid the situation in the future.

On hand #1, his PFR is 2.4%! That is a HUGE raise relative to the pot. Alarm bells!

Hand #2, another big raise. However, with his stats, I'm pushing pre-flop. On the flop, his aggression is low, but why all in? I think TT, JJ, QQ is just as likely as AA.

Hand #3, min raise. Oh shit. Good read, good fold.
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Postby k3nt » Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:29 pm

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Postby excession » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:58 am

Hmm if I'm in the BB and the SB min-raises unless he is an invetate min-raiser I'm more suspicious than if he makes a standard 3-4BB raise.

I certainly wouldn't come over the top of him for a 'huge' bet (over 10 time the pot) with anything but AA (and only then if I though the min-raise showed a monster like KK or QQ wehn to be honest i might push all-in). I might re-raise the pot with another strong holding to see where I was, or re-raise for info if I read a bluff, but 10x the pot re-raise from a guy with PFR of less than 3% is almost always AA or KK - and here there is one way to make KK and 6 ways to make the aces...

I read the huge re-raise here as a holder of AA not wanting to give me odds to set if I have a smaller pair.. would I lay it down in real life? probbaly not in the heat of battle, but it's one of the few situations where you could justify a lay-down with KK pre-flop IMHO..
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Postby Aisthesis » Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:43 am

Hand 1: I'm clearly all-in PF. This is HU battle, and there's no way KK is going anywhere in that case. I think he probably has a decent A and will call. If he has AA, well, I lose my stack.

Hand 2: I'll probably be lynched for saying this, but I fold it PF unless SB has become a semi-maniacal nuisance, in which case I push. Actually, his looseness indicates it would probably be a bad laydown here. It would really depend on how I assess his current play. $25 at a 1/2 table is just almost enough to draw to a set, but not quite (imo). I dunno, he's really representing AA in principle with the re-raise, but coming in for $25 over an LP raise to $4? No, I think in this case, I'll have to push. That looks to me too much like a 77-99 or AK re-raise. Unless the table is strange, this one doesn't want a caller, and I just don't see that as an AA type raise.

Hand 3: As someone has already said here, I think your re-raise was too passive and makes playing the hand a bit more difficult. Against this guy, I think I push the turn in your shoes, but the critical juncture here is PF. This guy is a LAG, hence, I'm not going to believe him on a set. So, I have to raise sufficiently that he won't have odds if he stacks me ($200). I make it about $30 (I know this seems paradoxical in light of my analysis in hand 2, but I don't think it really is). The real issue is that, if you make it $10-$12 on the re-raise (I'd make it $16 anyway almost regardless--JJ and QQ will call), you have to be willing to lay down your AA. Against this guy, I'm not, barring fully suited boards without the appropriate A or something like that.
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