I can crush the $2.00 buy-in games at Ultimate Bet for more than 100BB/hour playing 3 tables -- figure 50 hands per table per hour, so 100 BB/150 hands = 66 BB/100. Toward the end I was over 150BB/hr, or maybe 100BB/100 hands. Now I didn't have 15K hands to prove it, but it wasn't like I was getting lucky cards. The fish there just are fishy beyond belief.

But I bet micro-limits isn't what you were talking about.

On a more serious note, thanks for the benchmark, Iceman. Will keep it in mind. It's important for me to realize that my winrate of like 70BB/hr at $50 NL is not going to continue forever. Too bad!

Even with fish swimming everywhere, your win rate will still taper off because of extra suckouts with more people seeing the flop.

Thats why you need SO many hands before your win rate means much. I'd be surprised if you could beat 15PTBBs/ 100 hands even at micro stakes because of that.

OK, maybe its possible at micro limits.

You need to be playing higher. Whats your roll look like?

Iceman, thanks for your interest & encouragement!

I'm up to the $50 tables now. Bankroll is $1500ish.

In theory, I'm only 500 bucks short of having the roll to move up to $100 games. But I'm really not comfortable thinking about that yet. I feel some struggle playing $50 games right now. I have a good winrate overall, but I make most of my money finding total calling stations and taking their money with my big hands. When I'm on a table full of decent players, or even players who aren't decent but mix it up at me by re-raising their draws, say, I tend to do much worse.

Maybe I need to think more about table selection.

Hey my firewall was just changed at work and I can get into the forum again. Hope it lasts.

I have to agree with Ice here. I've been playing a long time and haven't seen anyone able to sustain numbers like that at higher levels.

Time to go home and play but hope to become a regular here now.

SF

Good to see you here SF.

For those of you who dont know him..Scott Francis is a high stakes player who has played as high as the $25/$50 NL game at UB, and he is one of the very best online NL players Ive ever seen.

Any advice he gives, you can take to the bank.

Well, theres obviously alot more to it than just looking at stats, but as far your stats go...they look very similiar to mine. Except my win rate is about double yours.

Without examining individual hands, I would say you must not be maximizing your big hands and calling too many flop bets.

My showdown win rate is only slightly higher than yours so I wouldnt think youre going to showdown too much, but you may be calling too many flop and/or turn bets and then giving up before showdown. Its hard to say.

Of course your win rate is 5.41PTBBs/100 hands or a true 10.82BBs/100 hands. Thats not bad at all, not great, but pretty good.

One more thing. As far as your aggression numbers go...do you have the box checked to include preflop play in the numbers? If so, uncheck it and tell me what you get. If its already unchecked then you are WAY too passive.

My aggressive factor when it is uncheck is 2.99 and .69 is when it is check.

What im really concerned about is my pfr% 3.24. i have heard a pfr% 7 is somewhat normal but mine is only 3.24%. So i think thats why u are saying that im getting good value out of my big hands. I think i dont raise enough pre-flop , i only raise with AK, AA,KK,QQ, AND JJ only from the button and maybe JTS or QJS sometime so i dont know how im able to get my PFR% up to 7% like most people. I can use some PFR and maximize my big hands ideas from u.

I do tend to call alot of flop bet so here is my WHEN FOLD HAND #.

NO FLOP% 11.8
PREFLOP% 74
FLOP% 9.4
TURN% 3.3
RIVER% 1.1

Other than these numbers knowing that im on the right track nice so thanx alot man

My preflop raise % is about 3.5%. There are many different styles of play and there ARE people who raise 7% and are winning players, but most of the winningest players in my database have preflop raise % of between 3-5%.

You need to mix up your raises as you move up in stakes.

In EP I might raise AA 50% and limp 50%
In LP I might raise 99 or not
I might raise suited connectors depending on the situation.
I limp AK in EP quite a bit
I have no problem raising QT from the cutoff.

If you only raise big pairs and AK, you are too easy to beat. I'll fold everything but a pocket pair against you and wait to hit a set. Or I might call with a suited connector and try to hit a big flop.....but I'll never call with a dominated hand against you if I know your raising standards are that strict. At lower stakes that will work, but not as you move up.

can someone tell me where there is a chart of all starting hands and its EV from all position so i can compare it to mine in my pokertracker. thanx