Cool answers guys - just wanted an opinon. Thanks

<-- Computer Programmer (used to write anti-cheat software for aimbots)

These bots will never be able to beat even a break even NL player. They can only work in a limit game without the nuances of NL.

The bots will also tend to make large mistakes when a data entry is wrong or corrupt. These have been known to read cards wrong and bet like they have the nuts with crap and visa-versa. They are software thats feed instruction sets or rule sets and thats all it operates on. IMO the people interested in using this are not smart enough to write their own and probably not talented enough to write a halfass rule set.

The bottom line is that these bots are nothing to be scared of or get paranoid about. They are not taking over online poker and they are not raping the low limit tables of all their money. They are simply ripping off players who are using them and the only one making money is the software writter.

Don't worry about it. It's easy to think they are at every table but they are not and even if they were you'd still beat them playing ABC poker. They are taking money from complete fish, not good players.

I noticed that in the article and that I think is just plain dishonest - what would be funny is if two players each had 5 bots playing each other at the same table. Half the bots know about 10 cards each.

I will transcript two threads from one "team playing" forums :



zippy wrote:
I have witnessed many a team play for nearly a decade in Vegas.....it is absolutley the way to destroy a table. It is also is the way that alot of marginal winners/lossers hang on.

While there were lots of times that a jammed a pot pays the jammee..in the long and short run the non-teamers at the table don't stand a chance if the team knows what they are doing.

zip

zip,

you are never going to get us to say that adding a friend does not increase edge. however, based on what we've statistically seen, this edge is not as high as is universally believed.

there are two things we'd like the world to know today if it were possible

1) if you play online you are powerless to prevent your opponents from teaming.

2) teams do not increase edge as much as is commonly believed.

our advice is that online players need to learn all they can about the behavior of teams so that they can better defend themselves.

eventually all poker sites worldwide will relegate that act of policing team play to the players themselves. as the post analysis tools become better and better they will incorporate measures to detect teams and then you will see software products designed to track teams similar to the way poker tracker tracks opponents.

let me draw a comparison by example to a very weak player vs. a very strong player. right now there is nothing sites do to inform weak players about who the strong players are; there are no rating systems; win/loss histories; deposit stats etc. (not saying that there should be dont get me wrong). and since nobody really expects this info to be available, we have tools like PT that allow anybody to begin profiling opponents. and this is a very well accepted activity amongst online players.

there are members on this forum that track so well that they know exactly who they will or will not play against.

we are suggesting that the future of holdem analysis tools will incorporate tracking methods for teams (2-man, 3-man, etc.), which will allow you and/or your team to make opponent decisions.

is this as simple as tracking single individual players?
absolutely not. but it is the reality of the situation.
the internet decided the current conditions.




second :


Cheat_Is_Fun wrote:
Support,

teaming is cheating, and you know it, no matter what arguments you come up with. Despite my (ironic) username, I don't like it at all.

Bots, yes. Cheating, no.

cheat,

we do not care what you call it.
we do not care how you feel about it.
we are way way passed all of that.

why? because we are powerless to control it that's why.
we have zero control over what our opponents do.
and we have accepted that fact of life.

we totally understand that you do not like cardsharing teams.

if we had the power to implement a security measure to
physically prevent teams from happening then we would
probably choose a definition of online holdem that did not
include cardsharing for no other reason than simplicity sake.
it makes the game easier to analyze if you do not have to
consider the possibility of teams.

but we do not have that power do we? and ...
nobody has that power do they? ...

so as an online holdem player i can whine and cry and
go on a "i-hate-cheaters" , "cheaters-are-poopoo-heads"
campaign and send hate spam to everyone on the internet
in an effort to ease my pain or i can very simply accept what
i have zero power to change and move on with my life.

so let me just take this opportunity to call you an
"annoying little crybaby whiner"
(i have the right to call you this
because i used to whine about it just like
you are doing right now) and btw i did it better
than you are doing it.

whining about things you cannot change is annoying to the nearby listeners. this is a universally accepted truth.

people who whine are in some type of pain about their current condition and they immediately illicit two impulses in nearby listeners.

1) listener wants to help the whiner ease their pain and solve the problem.
2) listener wants to increase the pain of the whiner in order to encourage the whiner to decline to whine near the listener.

i am choosing response 1) ... but ill be glad to change to response 2) if that is what you want.

so what i'd like for you to do is this:

1) admit that you cannot control what your opponents do even if you call them cheaters and even if they hear you call them cheaters.

2) admit that using a bot and/or cardsharing is not cheating under the new rules (cheating is physically impossible by definition).

3) admit that the rules of the game are determined by the players themselves and not by any holdem site.

4) admit that you are powerless to prevent your opponents from playing by the new rules.

5) admit that forcing an end-user to click accept to a site agreement is not enough to ensure that they will submit to that agreement.

Players say that they are beating the game so for them Bots and/or cheating is not affecting them - maybe 10% of the online players are winners.

Most likely most of the players that lose do so because of their bad play or lack of experience followed by bad luck. What is left is because of cheating and to bots.

"The root of all is the love of money".