$2/$4 NL at Prima....All players involved have about $400

Villian limps in MP. I raise to $16 with [Jc] in the cutoff. Button and Villian limper call.

Villian has a fairly good win rate in 1000 hands. He plays 24% of hands and plays hands out of position. Ive seen him play A7s UTG and min raise with KQ UTG. Ive never seen him play a suited connector. Its big cards, suited aces and pairs from any position.

Im sure Villain repsects my play because yesterday out of the blue he asked me what i thought of a certain player. I had never spoken a word to him before that and I doubt he would ask me that if he didnt think I was good.

Also, I had raised to $16 twice in the last 20 mins on another table that he was at with 76s both times and I showed both times when I took the blinds.



Button..no read.

Pot is $54. The flop comes [6d][5c]. Villian leads out for $28. Hmmm.. I dont think he would limp with AA, KK or QQ but could have a set. I really dont want to play a huge pot here.

I flat call and button folds.

Pot is $110. The turn is the putting 2 diamonds also on the board. He bets $50. Would you raise here ( maybe to $120) to get a free showdown and fold to a reraise?

I flat called again which I think is very marginal....

Results coming soon......

Wouldn't: 8s, 9s, Ts, set, A7s be a reasonable hand range given your read? In which case, I'd be tempted to call and call a pot sized bet on the river, or bet 1/3 pot if checked to.

If a 8,9 or club falls and he bets big, consider folding (these complete straights as well as sets).

But a positional raise is probably safer, $120 sounds good.

Did you consider raising the flop (folding to a reraise), checking the turn, and calling the river?

I cosidered raising the flop , but didnt like the idea much. I didnt want to build the pot.

I'd vote for raising to $125, and then folding to a reraise or a bet on the river.

If you smooth call, the pot is $210. 88-TT might fire out one last time to try to convince you he's on 55-77. Either way, you're looking at (i assume) a $100-$200 bet on the river.

Raising $75 more on the turn looks like the cheapest possible way to get to a show down.

Im still not sure what the best move is on this one. ( its much easier now, knowing what he had of course)

Like I said, I flat called the turn. Then a miracle happened. The river was the .

he bet $200 and I raised all in. He had [8d]

what do you do if the river is the and he bets $200?

As it stands, he probably would have called a $75 raise on that turn with that draw, but in general, this passive play looks like a loosing long run strategy with an overpair. You leave yourself having no idea where you stand on the turn, a problem you could fairly easily solve if you raise and get some hand definition out of him. you'll be far more comfortable making a decision on the river.

I like a turn raise, either a min-raise or raise t 120 as someone said, both look very scary to him

If the river is the and he bets $200 I fold....but if I had raised the turn to $120, hes still calling with that big draw so when the hits, I still lose but even more now.

Given your read (namely being able to completely exclude the made straight), I think I'd raise the flop hard and heavy, representing basically AA (which your JJ is effectively "as good as" at the moment).

I'd say you need to make him lay down the straight draw or A7 right there. If he moved in (as he might, given his hand, if he's real aggressive), I'd lay it down thinking he had a set.

A flop raise to $120 would make him have to call $92 more for a pot of $200 or so. That's probably enough, but I don't think even $150 is over the top there.

If he called that, I'd pretty much be done with the hand, barring the miracle river.

The guy was strongly betting his draws. DRAWS: He had so many outs that it was, according to his play, maybe impossible to make him fold. I think it is impossible to play that hand better. Besides that, villain overplayed his flush with a paired board with you calling those bets. It seems that he doesnt respect you much, Ice. Maybe he hasnt noticed you around. He´´ll know now....




AlexMR

Here's my 2 cents.....

whenever you're playing a hand that beats a wide variety of hands, but can't withstand a re-raise, you should be resigned to call it down ASSUMING your opponnent will bluff a missed draw.

Whether or not he'd bet 200 if a black Q hits is probably the most important factor.

If you're going to fold to a big bet on the river, AND he's likely to bluff a miss, you gotta fold the turn. If he isn't the type to bluff the river, just call and fold to a big river bet.

I don't like the raise, too many hands like 8's and 9's (and A8 or diamonds) are getting the right price, and his play is too suspicious to really raise it up big.

So its a call/fold situation, based on the guidelines given above.

So you agree with how I played it then, right?

Hes not much of a bluffer I dont think.

He actually asked me what he did wrong in the hand after it was over, so he obviously is intimidated by me and respects my play. I doubt he would bluff the river after I called him down.