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KK hard to play?

Postby AlamedaMike » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:53 pm

I guess the only way to play KK is to go all in preflop. If he had AA then so be it.

He got very lucky and got a runner runner flush. I was not sure how to play this hand.

Bet the flop? Check raise all-in on the flop?

On the turn I decided to go all-in if he bet anything. I though about all-in on the turn but did not act on that thought.

Reviews welcome. I was having a great day until this hand and one other (lost to a set of 6's).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

BB ($102.55)
UTG ($202)
Hero ($108.15)
MP1 ($104.45)
MP2 ($212.10)
MP3 ($163.65)
CO ($191.55)
Button ($365.90)
SB ($142.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Ks], [Kh].
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 4 folds, Button raises to $27, 2 folds, Hero calls $19.

Flop: ($57) [4d], [6h], [Td] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $30, Hero calls $30.

Calling here is bad poker for sure. I should have folded (ha!) or raised.

Turn: ($117) [Jd] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $51.15, Hero calls $51.15 (All-In).



River: ($219.30) [5d] [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)


Final Pot: $219.30
Main Pot: $219.30, between Hero and Button. > Pot won by Button ($219.30).

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
Button has Qd Qc (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Button wins $219.30.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:16 pm

Thanks - I had a bad feeling about this hand from the start. Something told me that I was going to lose my stack. So, the best move was to put it all in on the flop after he re-raised me and if he called then I suffered another bad beat. Won't be the first or the last.

At least that way I had played it the 'right' way. I am not happy with the check call at all.
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Postby ua1176 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:23 pm

get as much money in as soon as possible with KK, unless you and the opponent have crazy big stacks or you have a serious amount of respect for whoever you're up against.. for every time you run into AA, you'll have 3 or 4 times where you run into AK, QQ, JJ, or even AQ.

i personally have never layed down KK preflop.....though as of yet i haven't had it run into AA either.

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Postby 80Proof » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:33 pm

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Postby AlamedaMike » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:38 pm

I see KK get kill all the time aginst AA.

But, I have never folded KK preflop. I have had KK 22 times on Pokerstars out of 3,700 hands.

I have lost 4. Including this hand I have lost $280 but I am still ahead with Kings. Out of the 22 hands I folded one on the flop when an Ace hit. Other than that I have not seen AA yet.

My biggest win was $101 and this was my biggest loss so far.

I lost to 2 flushes and one straight.

Thanks - next time KK - all in the middle of the pot.

Thanks

BTW, I have had AA 19 times and won 100% so far.
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Postby 80Proof » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:43 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:49 pm

There are a variety of way to play this, but when you only have 1/2 a stack to start the hand, just reraise all in preflop.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Thu Aug 04, 2005 8:54 pm

Thanks
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Postby briachek » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:46 pm

I would be all in preflop but on the flop if you are gonna go all in on the turn no matter what it is (and that is not a good card for you) you might as well raise the flop or bet out at least. You seem like you are just gonna let him put you all in no matter what so you might as well put it in.
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Postby CocaCola » Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:14 am

why did you play with only half a stack?
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Postby briachek » Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:28 am

Mike, this is not the first time you have posted a hand where you have a short stack. I don't advise to play like that as you don't maximize your good hands but if you are gonna play like that, you have to be very aggressive which is why you need to push that hand.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Fri Aug 05, 2005 10:55 am

Some days you are the bug and some days you are the windshield. :D
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Postby ChipMagnet » Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:35 pm

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Postby T-Rod » Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:52 pm

I agree that you are either all in before the flop or at the latest on the flop. Think about it from the point of view of Mr. Queens. You called his pf raise and now on THAT flop you are all in. It'd be a tough call wondering about a set (i.e., you have fold equity vs. just calling him down).

As to the it seems like KK is trumped by AA all the time, I have a database query I've run on my nearly 50,000 hands. Assuming a showdown (which is pretty likely), I've had KK 187 times and my opponent had AA exactly.... 4 times. That's about 2% of the time so don't EVER worry about it.

The reason it seems like it happens so often is because when it does it is VERY memorable.
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