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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:21 am

$5/$10

These arent horribly tough hands, but Im posting some hands from the $1000NL project trying to keep people informed. I hope to find more interesting ones along the way.

#1) I have [Kc][Kd] in the BB. Folded to the SB who raises to $25. He has $1000, I have $1200. I decided to just call.

Pot is $50. the flop comes [Ks][Kh][Td]. 8-)... He bets $40 and I call.
Pot is $130. The turn is the [9s]. He bets $60 and I call.
Pot is $250. The river is the [As]. He bets $90. Whats your play?


#2) 2 limpers and then I raise to $50 with [Kc][Kh]. SB calls, BB folds, Both limpers call. All callers have around $400 and I have them covered.

Pot is $210. The flop comes [Qh][Tc][8c]. SB leads out all in for $363. Folded to me and I do what?
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Postby kennyg » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:37 am

1. raise to $250. If he has AA or TT he's likely to reraise. It's also just a small enough raise he might convince himself to call with QQ to show everyone his bad beat.

2. I'd have a really tough time laying this down....but i think you have to.... SB can have a range of so many different hands. Had it been a limper that made this move..I probably would have called. So yeah...I would fold to the SB.
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Postby Xaston » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:59 am

I call on the second hand.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:01 pm

Why? What do you put him on?
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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:09 pm

First hand is tough... your raise will either tell him you hit the ace or that you've been slowplaying a K. Only way he calls is if he's got an Ace and the raise isn't too big. With TT/99/AA you'll stack him no matter what... so I guess a nice value-raise that's slightly bigger to look like a bluff is better, since the hands that would call an all-in will re-raise you anyway. I guess a raise of $300 or so.

I call on the second hand but that's because I play micro stakes where he'll show TP or a missed AT/AJ and a flush draw so often it's silly. He'll never show a set or made straight, since he's automatically try to slowplay them. At worst he's got two-pair, against which you have 5 outs on the flop and 8 on the turn.
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Postby eliteprodigy » Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:31 pm

First hand I would raise to 250.

Second Hand I would call the all-in with my table image, i don't know with yours because you play very tight and he must know this. However, his bet looks like he is on a straight or club draw, possibly both. He almost might have AQ. Maybe JJ for a gutshut draw and 2nd pair. I feel strongly he doesn't have you beat at the moment and you are ahead long-haul because of this simple fact: The pot is so large that if he had a set or two pair he would check to you, let you fire half-3/4 of the flop and then check-raise you, it woud be so little back to you, you would have to call hoping KQ or AQ. It takes a very smart player and certain player to make the move he is making with two pair or a set here. More often than not you are good when putting ur money in this spot.
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Postby AlexMR » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:20 pm

1.- I would min raise him there. If he has someting like A rag he might call, since it s only 90 to a 400+ pot but if he has a strong hand, such as QQ, 99,TT he is going to push, maybe all in, if he doesnt you can put him and he will call because he is committed.

2.- I have learned to fold that. Hate it but that s my move. If it was NL$25 I would say he hit his two pair with QT and made this horrible move (maybe even worse than cold calling wih that crap) but I dont want to believe those kind of this are common in NL$1000. Are they?
With no reads I fold, with solid solid reads about villain i might call if he is a total retard.

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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:39 pm

#1) I raised to $400 and he called with [4s][5s]
#2) I called the all and he had AQ. I just couldnt see him open pushing all in in front of 2 other callers if he had a monster. I think he would check raise all in or made a small lead to try to get some dead money in the pot hoping that I would raise and he could push. My KK held up.
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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:58 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:08 pm

Sorry, the turn was the [9s]
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Postby rdale » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:12 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:43 pm

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Postby k3nt » Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:07 pm

Keep flopping quads and the $5/$10 project is going to go really, really well.

Nice hands. I definitely would have called the 2nd hand, and it's good to know I was right.
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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:30 pm

I agree with the 250ish bet on the first hand...in the 100 max that I play in I'd consider folding the second if I wanted the safe play, but If they aren't a total fish, then I'm calling thinking the same thing: if he had a monster, with me being the pf raiser, then I'd expect him to try for a check raise at some point.
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Postby Aisthesis » Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:13 pm

I play these hands almost EXACTLY like you did.

I almost like pushing on hand 1, but you just don't have enough leverage. I was thinking around $360-$400 before reading your post. He'll call with the A (this is a HU battle), which is what your hand looks like. I figure he would have pushed with any boat, and you got a little unlucky that he didn't do so with the flush (which is probably the one hand he could have that might have actually made pushing profitable--I think he'd put you on an A there. I was putting him more on some kind of A himself, however, and was afraid he'd lay it down to all-in if he had anything less than AQ, also he's not in so deep that his K-fear might be too much).

Hand 2 I make the call as well. The overbet has to be understood in terms of stack-sizes, and I did put him on AQ most likely. If he has J9 or set, well, ok. His stack just isn't big enough for you to lay down, and he wisely moves in rather than betting pot since he's pot committed by betting anyway (the unwise part is calling raise with AQ, but that's what happens against a credible raiser...).
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