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Good christ.... but there is a POLL!!

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WTF is wrong with me?

Some good folds some bad ones.
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Bad folds
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Why are there sooo many hands?
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I am playing scared.
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Not betting when should. Betting when shouldn't.
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Quit poker, kill yourself, and donate your Br to the next BTP tourney.
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Total votes : 10

Good christ.... but there is a POLL!!

Postby shamdonk » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:37 pm

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

CO ($50)
Button ($340.77)
SB ($9)
BB ($33.05)
UTG ($96.75)
UTG+1 ($79.70)
UTG+2 ($108.95)
Hero ($68.75)
MP2 ($16.75)
MP3 ($50.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Ad], [As]. CO posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls $5.50, 3 folds, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: ($14.25) [4h], [Js], [Qh] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, CO raises to $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44.25


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed)

Hero ($52.35)
UTG ($132.90)
UTG+1 ($95.99)
UTG+2 ($50)
MP1 ($45.60)
MP2 ($81.51)
MP3 ($53.50)
CO ($49.25)
Button ($50.50)
SB ($9.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Jh], [6c]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.75) [Tc], [9d], [8d] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $0.5, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $3.50, MP2 folds, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($11.75) [Jd] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: ($11.75) [4h] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: $11.75



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

BB ($134.96)
UTG ($50.75)
UTG+1 ($46.35)
Hero ($59.75)
MP1 ($47.65)
MP2 ($17.31)
MP3 ($79.95)
CO ($50)
Button ($26.60)
SB ($109.60)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with [8d], [8s]. CO posts a blind of $0.50. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($3.50) [8h], [As], [4h] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $3, CO folds, SB calls $3, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($12.50) [3h] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: ($12.50) [Kh] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $2, SB calls $2, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $16.50



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

MP1 ($134.96)
MP2 ($50.75)
MP3 ($56.10)
Hero ($50.25)
Button ($48.15)
SB ($17.56)
BB ($80.70)
UTG ($68.15)
UTG+1 ($35.35)
UTG+2 ($100.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qc], [Qh]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
5 folds, MP3 raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, 3 folds.

Flop: ($4.25) [As], [Jh], [5d] (2 players)
MP3 bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.25) [Jd] (2 players)
MP3 bets $5, Hero raises to $10, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: $25.25



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)

Hero ($50)
BB ($160.85)
UTG ($106.39)
UTG+1 ($65.40)
MP1 ($48.55)
MP2 ($13.97)
MP3 ($48.50)
CO ($35.70)
Button ($56)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Jd], [9d]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 4 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) [Ks], [Tc], [5s] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks.

Turn: ($2) [Qh] (4 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2, UTG raises to $10, MP1 folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: $16
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Postby AlamedaMike » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:58 pm

You checked a set of 8's with 3 hearts on the board? Are you sure he had a flush? You folded a straight - you think he had AJ? Granted there was only $4 in the pot before he bet. Do you think that he would chase you away with the nut straight?

Am I missing something here?

When you had the set of 8's and MP2 showed his hand did he have 2 hearts? If he had the flush on the Turn then you know that you made a good check/fold. If he had only one heart then you let him have a free card to beat you.

You know the answer on that hand.

I am trying to learn here so work with me. Is it correct to check when you are mid-position and the flush card hits the turn? I see $12 in the pot that I want and I am betting here. I have 10 outs for a full house on the river so I am going to bet at least $8. If I get two callers that is $8 to win $36 - if I get raised then I can muck it. If they fold, great.

Do I have this worng?
Last edited by AlamedaMike on Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:46 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby AlexMR » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:13 pm

Shamrock,

I can only see good folds. I would like to able to let go a couple hands like that. I just cant/dont. EXCEPT THAT FINAL HAND. Are you crazy!? I think you have to pay the guy if he has AJ unless he is the Ultimate Rock with 0.11 AF-TOT. WOW.

I think your wekak tightness on that hand went off the charts!

That said, I am sorry you are running so bad and hope it doesnt last for so long as my bad run. Lately I am doing quite well, mostly becaue the bad beats went to camp somewhere else. it wll end. More than 10K hands in my case but it seems that they finally did end.

Dont kill yourself. I know you are SOLID! These runs are part of the game. As long as you keep folding like that your losses wont be that much. I wish I had your ability. Sometimes when I am running so bad (specially when I am not being dealt any decent starting hands) it seems that I forget that there is a fully funtional FOLD button at the table.

you ll be winning in a few more hands. Also, I would suggest you move back down until it passes. I wasnt able to do it but I DO think it s a good thing to do.

Hang in there bud! Seems to me you r playing very well!
[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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Postby Stoneburg » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:20 pm

I see nothing wrong with the first hands. Not saying I would play them just like that but they seemed to be well player... except the last one. That's a bit weak/tight folding the 2:nd nuts there. He could very well be playing a set or two-pair like that. I'd check his aggression and vpip and look for a really good reason to fold, otherwise I'm calling or re-raising.
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Postby Chris-bg » Thu Sep 01, 2005 1:47 pm

I see nothing wrong with these hands. Even the most questionable laydown - the last one doesn't seem to be missing much EV. Depends on the read really. Very nice laydown of the Aces, btw. It clearly looks like it's an EV+ decision.
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Postby BigPhish » Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:36 pm

To be honest, a lot of those folds look pretty weak given the site / stakes...

Hand 1 - You have AA against someone who's posting the bring-in (always suspect big bettors on their first hand). You fold to a min-raise. I doubt I can let that go that easily. I'd probably call / bet the turn unless the flush shows up or re-raise right there.

Hand 2 - My action on the River depends on my read and what PT tells me about UTG+1. If he's trappy, it's check/check. If he's not trappy, I might bet the river.

Hand 3 - I'm probably betting that turn with a set, then we'll see what to do if I get raised. You have 10 outs there if someone did manage to pick up the flush. Same action as you on the river - one of them has to have a heart.

Hand 4 - You make almost exactly the opposite play from Hand 1 and you can't beat AK. I like this one. ;)

Hand 5 - That's a pretty big raise. He's pushing you out because he has a straight (maybe same one as you) and he fears the flush draw. This is the fold I need to learn to make, but my fishiness would take over and I'd probably call there.


OK, so all that said, most everyone seems to like most of these plays. Should I really be folding more like our village leprechaun is?
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Postby Chris-bg » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:14 pm

Here's a laydown similar to yours.
I found myself folding a flopped straith today. I was at the button in a 4 way pot with 89s and the flop came TJQ with 2 to a flush. SB checked, the BB bet the minimum, the CO called and I raised pot. BB folded and the CO called. Turn was another Jack, CO checked, I bet the pot and he minraised me.I knew the only hand that I could beat was TQ and he probably wasn't raising with it so i folded right there.
Strange really, I've been losing a lot with flopped straiths recently.. I guess if you get action on such boards you're usually beat. Now that I think of it, with the lowest part of the straith and on a paired board I should have probably checked behind and called a moderate sized bet on the river if the flush missed. Goddamn lowest straiths.. Put him on AT or JQ.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:27 pm

I had 89 suited and the flop was QJT I lost to AK who did not raise pre-flop. Bottom end is not a good end.
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