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Getting my feet wet #1

Postby tommyhawk » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:28 pm

I have started playing $25 NL tables again for various reasons.
I am doing well and making a little money while training.

But I still lose too much on certain hands where A. I know I am beat or B. totally misread my opponent.

I like to post a few hands and would like your comments please.

Party Poker (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Qs], [Kh].
5 folds.

Flop: [8c], [Js], [Kd] (3 players)
.

Turn: [4s] (3 players)
BB checks.

River: [5d] (3 players)
BB checks, BB calls 24.75 (All-In).

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
Hero has Qs Kh (one pair, kings).
BB has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins .


Ok I just used the converter for the first time but I cant seem to get the bets in, how does that work.
It's essential for this hand ( and any other I guess).
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Postby rdale » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:38 pm

Can't tell the action, but I make this mistake sometimes, I usually have a reason that was wrong this time but is right 70% or more of the time. If you can define a reason over three previous hands for overplaying like this, either you were duped and misintrepeted that information or was just wrong this time.
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Postby tommyhawk » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:46 pm

Please help me with the converter because I wanna show you this guys betting pattern that really had me puzzled.
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Postby stealthtt385 » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:48 pm

you have to delete the word texas and the space next to it.
A[d]K[d]
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Postby tommyhawk » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:54 pm

TY

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed)

UTG ($21.65)
UTG+1 ($26.97)
MP1 ($5.40)
MP2 ($19.68)
CO ($0)
Hero ($40)
SB ($77.40)
BB ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Qs], [Kh]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
4 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.5, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.60) [8c], [Js], [Kd] (3 players)
BB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $3.75, Hero calls $1.75.

Turn: ($9.10) [4s] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $12, Hero raises to $18, BB calls $6.

River: ($45.10) [5d] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $2.25 (All-In).

Final Pot: $50.35

Results in white below:
CO doesn't show.
Hero has Qs Kh (one pair, kings).
BB has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins $49.60. Hero wins $0.75.
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Postby rdale » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:00 pm

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:54 pm

Your opponent is a fixed limit player. You really overplayed your hand though. :shock:
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Postby kennyg » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:02 pm

Once he mini check raises twice in a row, you have to let it go. He's not scared at all and is trying to build the pot.
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Postby tommyhawk » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:13 am

It was the betting pattern that got me really.

He showed weakness by betting $0.25 or checking in to me where he could give me a free flush draw ( if I had one ). So the reraising woke me up but only to put me asleep when he checked again.

I will be more carefull next time.

I make good money on my draws and top hands but lose too much on paying guys off when my gut says I am beat.

Tommyhawk.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:11 am

I get caught like this all the time, unfortunately I'm playing MY hand and so excited to get what I think is a winner, I kinda go brain-dead. Also, when you read and study a lot, much of what you read a long time ago gets forgotten.

"Good players are always looking for reasons to let go their hand." Lee Jones--Winning Low Limit Hold 'Em.

You know how long ago I read this book??? :) While thinking of a response that might help us both, it came back to me.

This is Me, playing your hand: :shock: me, looking at my hand <> the little voice

I called on the button--position of strength, probably should have raise, but I didn't--and was mini-raised from the BB. Ok, this isn't that common on these tables, but I do it, so not worried. <he's either not worried, either, or took a pretty weak stab at taking my bet and the blinds> No big deal, so let's see the flop.

Flop comes, and my brain turns off, <at least my ears>. damn Opponent bets--expected--I raise, he reraises. < Where are my warning bells?? This is exactly what I should be looking for. If my warning bells were working, I'd dump this cheese right now>. But, they aren't and I call. Even if I'd just called a pretty small bet to see the turn with a vow of not doing anything at all, it's not as bad as I can make it be. <rationalization, man>

Turn is a blank. Opponent checks. < Checks? What kind of scare card is a 4 of spades??? Where the HELL are my warning bells??? Brain dead, completely. Why didn't I check? Was he bluffing preflop and on the flop??? Maybe, but unless I've seen him do this like 10 times in a row, the warning lights should be flashing like Three Mile Island.> But, I bet. <$3 into a $45 pot? Good god, I just gave this guy 9 to 1 that his hand is better than mine. $3. Not going to scare many people off their hand, I guess. Then, he doesn't just call, he's raising facryin'out-loud. Do my warning bells even exist?>

Next time, in this situation, I'm not doing anything postflop unless 3 freakin' Ks show up on the flop. I promise! <yeah, right>

Not that any of this is what was going on in your mind, bud, but it goes through mine all the time. After my ship is wrecked on an obvious reef. If I didn't make mistakes like this, I'd be a lot richer today. I gotta start looking for reasons to fold.

GL. Glad you posted this, as it gave me a chance to beat the crap out of myself for all the times I've done exactly the same thing. (It's a crowded boat, too, with all of those who do the same thing, all the time.) <rationalization again, man> :)

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Postby tommyhawk » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:40 pm

BINGO !!!!!
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