I don’t have the hand history readily available so this is from memory.

NL50 FTP blinds $0.25 and $0.50

EP player $25, me $78.

I picked up LP (Button or CO) and there was a raise from UTG+1 or +2; most likely about $2.

All folded to me and I re-raised just double (I hit the default button without much thought) probably another $2.

He re-raised me back 2x. I said hummm – looks like Aces to me.

Now my question is – is folding here too tight?

He had about $17 left the pot had about $16 so I put him all-in.

I think that Iceman or someone addressed this before and said that he had only run into AA one time and that pushing with KK was +EV long term.

Assuming that a player will raise with AA, KK, QQ and AK EP a re-raise is mandatory with Kings IMO and I should have raised more. I can’t remember now how much I actually raised.

Aside: Another hand I had JJ LP. There was a mini-raise from EP and I re-raised about $5 and everyone folded.

Ah yes, the outcome in white – some may want to answer before looking at the results. ;

Of course he had AA. A Ten and a Queen hit the flop. I Turned a King and I yelled at my monitor “ NO JACK “ but the pokergoddess did not hear or chose to ignore my plea and put a Jack on the river – he won with a Ace high straight. I lost $25. I quit for the day.

That limit... against a half stack... I reraise more from the start and plan on getting my stack in if he raises.

There are way too many times he'll have the usual suspects (AK,KK,QQ,JJ) instead of AA to fold and even if he's got AA you are 20% to win anyway.

Brutal the way it worked out... insult to injury there.

Thanks - My first thought was that all the chips were going in the middle for exactly the reasons you mentioned.

Yeah, I would have felt better if no King hit the Turn - up and then down.

Okay different opinion - then Stone you think I should have mucked to his reraise.

I now have the hand history. He raised to $1 and I made it $4 he came back with $12. My first thought was AA and I was right. My second thought was only $20 more.

The only possibality was he had 1/2 stack - which might not have meant anything except I was only going to lose another $20.

I had $4 invested and should have mucked to fight another day.

I have 85 hands with him and VP$IP is 25% and PFR is 2.35% and PT says he is TAG. I did not have GT window open and did not take time to look.

With that I should have folded my KK.

Thanks very mcuh.

Here is the hand history for the record.

FullTiltPoker Game #216555423: Table Hinson - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:17:30 ET - 2005/09/13
Seat 1: DrewJR ($25.10)
Seat 2: FUrob ($57.95)
Seat 3: steve79 ($13.50)
Seat 4: juliechick69 ($17.50)
Seat 5: AlamedaMike ($74.45)
Seat 6: Dano2317 ($31.75)
Seat 7: eritas2 ($49.50)
Seat 8: trumpchamp ($8.70)
Seat 9: RJH311 ($37.05)
eritas2 posts the small blind of $0.25
trumpchamp posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to AlamedaMike
RJH311 folds
DrewJR raises to $1
FUrob folds
steve79 folds
juliechick69 folds
AlamedaMike raises to $4
Dano2317 folds
eritas2 folds
trumpchamp folds
DrewJR has 15 seconds left to act
DrewJR raises to $12
AlamedaMike raises to $74.45, and is all in
DrewJR calls $13.10, and is all in
AlamedaMike shows
DrewJR shows
Uncalled bet of $49.35 returned to AlamedaMike
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
RJH311: oowww
*** RIVER ***
AlamedaMike shows three of a kind, Kings
DrewJR shows a straight, Ace high
DrewJR wins the pot ($48.45) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.95 | Rake $2.50
Board: [Qh 8d Td Ks Jd]
Seat 1: DrewJR showed [Ac Ah] and won ($48.45) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 5: AlamedaMike showed [Kd Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Kings

I may be wrong, but once he re-raised me on that first hand to $12, I'm pushing with KK. I'm of the opinion that getting all your money in preflop with KK is a very good move longterm.
For example, at the $100 NL level I've played 10,000 hands since July. I've had KK 38 times, and won 90% of those hands. Not once, so far, have I been up against AA.
By the way, I've had AA 39 times at the same level since July. Amazingly, I'm 39 for 39, taking the pot 100% of the time.
My net winnings with AA at this level since July are +$651.95. My net winnings with KK are +$192.30.
Translation: Don't be afraid to play either of these hands for all the chips preflop. The odds of KK being up against AA aren't good at all. I say push every time if somebody re-raises you. Longterm, you'll win way more than you lose.

Here's a huge hand from today. I had a bunch of hands on both players - the original raiser was TA or so (maybe sLA), the LP caller is XL and does a lot of raising preflop, but has only about 1.3 post flop aggression. The hand history is below, but I'll talk about it here since everything happened preflop . KK in the BB and I'm smiling...one EP/MP limper and LP pops to $5 (5x), XL calls without hesitation, and I pop it to $15, MP folds. Open raiser thinks for about 10-15 seconds and calls...hmm! I figure this is the kind of guy that's going to push with AA, so I'm dismissing it as a possiblity. Then, without much thought, XL makes it $50! Aww, crap! This reeks of AA...but, then why didn't he raise on the first go-round? I was leaning towards folding, but it just didn't feel like AA from this guy since he's just SO agro preflop, I figured he'd have popped it before it even got around to me - not to mention that I hadn't seen sophisticated slow plays from this guy yet. So, I take almost all of my available time (I don't care if this makes it look like I don't have AA...if they have AA they're calling anyway whether I look weak or not)...so I push and make it just over $80. Open raiser laments in the chat along the lines of "jesus" and calls after 20 seconds or so of thought...XL calls but doesn't reraise (I'm all in but they both have me covered). As soon as that happened I was regretting my move figuring that my read was off and at least ONE of them MUST have AA, right? Forget it! flop comes 6 high - MP pushes for his last 20 or so, and XL calls. LP flips QQ (fish)...XL flips A6clubs! WOW!! It was SOOOOTED.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed)

MP1 ($101.65)
MP2 ($167.50)
MP3 ($100.83)
CO ($167.45)
Button ($64.32)
SB ($74.40)
Hero ($80.15)
UTG ($36)
UTG+1 ($99)
UTG+2 ($51.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with :kh, :ks. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
3 folds, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $5, CO calls $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $10, CO raises to $50, Hero calls $65.15 (All-In), MP3 calls $65.15, CO calls $30.15.

Flop: ($241.95) :4c, :5s, :6d (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 calls $20.68 (All-In), CO calls $20.68.

Turn: ($283.31) :4h (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($283.31) :5d (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $283.31

I disagree with the "push with KK" sentiments in this case, for the following reasons:

1) The raising. $1 -> $4 -> $12 screams KK (split the pot, lose rake) or AA (you're toast).

2) The read. If the guy really is 25% VP$IP with under 3% PFR and he's raising like that, it screams AA even louder.

Against a random player with no read, maybe. Against anyone who's a loose raiser pre-flop, definitely.

Against Mr. 2.3% pre-flop raise with that betting, you and I both need to learn to fold those kings!

Alternative approach... you just call, then bet the pot unless an ace flops. The only hand that calls your push after betting $12 into you is aces. But if he's got Aces and you call his $12, and the flop contains just one reasonably high card (say 9-k), he *could* put you on a set and fold. Maybe. If he's weak/tight enough.

I would never reraise the min with KK...and I most certainly dont think that pushing with KK in that situation is +EV.