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A few Party NL $25 hands for comment

Postby BigPhish » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:29 pm

1) Extracting Value

Should I have bet more on the river? What else could I have done?

8-handed

BigPhish has $43.50
UTG+1 has about $20

BigPhish in BB with [8d][5s]

UTG fold, UTG+1 call, MP1 call, 3 folds, SB completes, Phish checks

Flop ($1.00) [3c][Ks][8c]

SB check, BP check, UTG+1 bet .25, MP1 fold, SB fold, Phish call

Turn ($1.50) [8s]

Phish check, UTG+1 check

River ($1.50) [5c]

Phish bets $1.00, UTG+1 raises to 2.00, Phish raises to 6.00, UTG+1 call

Should I have put him in?




2) Again, Extracting Value

I think maybe I should just push in on the river from now on?

Phish has $58.50
MP2 has 12.45

Phish in SB with [Ac][Kc]

UTG fold, UTG+1 call .25, MP1 fold, MP2 raise to 1.00, 4 folds, Phish calls 1.00, BB calls 1.00, UTG+1 calls 1.00

Flop (4.00) [3c][4c][5c]

Phish checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets 3.00, Phish calls, BB & UTG+1 fold

Turn (10.00) [4h]

Phish checks, MP2 checks

River (10.00) [7d]

Phish bets 6.00, MP2 calls



3) Should I have stuck around?

If so, what would you have done with that flop?

Phish has $49.75
Rock has $21

Phish in MP3 with [6h][6d]

UTG raises to .50, 3 folds, Phish calls .50, 2 folds, SB calls .50, BB (rock) raises to 2.00, UTG calls 2.00, Phish folds, SB calls 2.00

Flop (6.50) [Kh][6s][3d]

SB checks, BB bets 6.00, UTG and SB fold




4) AA Out of Position

Phish has $52
Villain is new to the table, has $28

Phish in SB with [As][Ac]

3 folds, MP2 calls .25, MP3 calls, Villain calls, 2 folds, Phish raises to 2.00, Folds to Villain who calls.

Flop (4.75) [Kc][6s][5c]

Phish pushes in, Villain calls

Turn, River [8h] [Ks]

Villain shows [6c][6h] for teh win

I think I should have played this slower. Bet half or whole pot on the flop, see what villain does. Thoughts?
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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:38 pm

Hand 1- You played this fine

Hand 2- I raise here on the flop, its the only way you are going to get someones stack. Raising here no one will put you on the nuts, but you are out of position to the raiser and you dont want him to check behind like he does on the turn.

Hand 3- This is a borderline call with 66, you are getting better than 10x but barely. To make this call a +ev play you have to be pretty sure you are going to double up if you hit your set.

Hand 4- At this level you have to be willing to pay off sets vs your big pairs. I think the bet on the flop is to big, make it $10 or something like that, but you are going to lose your stack either way here.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Aug 06, 2005 11:53 pm

Hand #1) When someone bets .25 into a $1 pot with that flop, theres a good chance he has a flush draw. Since it got back to me with nobody else to worry about (since they already folded ), alot of times I will check raise here. I didnt check with that intention, but now I might do it. If you dont want to thats fine, but you should lead out on the turn when you pick up trip 8s. if you dont and he has the flush draw, he will probably check behind. If he has a king, he may still call. You dont have to bet full pot, but bet at least 1/2 pot there.

Now, on the river he hits his flush (Im assuming he has the flush evern though you didnt say what he had), the pot is bigger and youre going to bust him.
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Postby briachek » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:23 am

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Postby AlexMR » Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:51 pm

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Postby wreck27 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:08 pm

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Postby Rode_Dog » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:38 pm

What is the 10x rule?
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Postby BigPhish » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:07 pm

What is the 10x rule?

If you're holding a med-low PP and you're bet at, compare the size of that bet to the smaller of your stack or the bettor's stack. If the smaller stack is at least 10x the size of the bet and you think you can stack him if you hit your set, call.

It's all about the odds of hitting your set on the flop.

I knew this. But I didn't call. Mostly because I didn't figure I could stack him. But with the 2nd guy in there, I definitely should have called.
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Postby Rode_Dog » Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:40 pm

Clearly, I am not normally going to have pure pot odds to call, so the 10x rule must be based on implied odds of stacking the villian. Can anyone expand on this a bit?
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Postby T-Rod » Wed Aug 10, 2005 8:58 am

Yes its purely implied odds (hence their stack has to be big enough to be worth it).

In theory, they are raising big b4 the flop with a big pair. It's hard to lay down AA on a Q94 board when someone plays back at you. The AA assumes other guy is AQ (when in fact its a set of 4s). AA keeps raising or can't resist calling an allin. AA loses.
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