$1/ $2 NL.....My first hand. I post a blind in the cutoff and get my fav hand. [3c]. OK, that part was a joke

4 to the flop. The flop comes [9c][7s].

The SB bets $4 into the $8 pot. Folded to me and I raise to $13. He calls. Never seen him before. (We both have $200)
Pot is $34. The turn is the . He bets $8.43. OK, hes a moron. Ive said it before. Ive never seen a good player make these idiotic sized bets. I raised to $42 and he calls.

Pot is $116 The river is the . Final board is [9c][7s][Jc][Qc]. He checks and I do what? No read of course since Ive never seen him before, but I really didnt like the flush card. Flush over flush is rare, but I thought maybe his turn bet and call meant he mightve picked up the flush draw on the turn and was trying to price himself in.

I checked behind thinking that hes not calling a bet with anything but a higher flush since there is are two 4 card str8s and the flush out there.

I'm shocked. I would have moved all-in assuming he has the straight and won't be able to let go.

I think you lose a lot of value checking there.

I see contradicting reads here ice and I agree with Kenny for the most part.

You say you've never seen a good player make a stoob bet like 8.43 and then you give him credit for pricing himself in with a flush draw? You can't use you're knowledge of the game to think for him, you know it doesn't work that way.

I would bet $20 on the end and call any push. He's a fish and I think he's got two pair which might get a $20 call so you lose nothing there. If he pushes he can't put you on a flush so many times a straight or even a pure bluff with take your bet as weak and move in on you thinking you can't call without a flush. The later is unlikely because he's not thinking that much but untimely bluffs don't really require much thought on their part either. I like the line that gets you 10xBB from hands he'll call a bet with and shows weakness to induce a bluff.

Lets say he bet $8 (not $8.43). He might be trying to price himself in, but that doesnt make it a good play (especially when he calls my large raise).

So why cant his fishy play of trying price himself in and then calling the raise....go along with my fishy read based on his supid sized bet? Both are fishy plays. I dont see the contradiction.

I do agree that I lose value by checking especially if he has an 8 or K.

The odds of BOTH backing into the flush must be miniscule, I definetely bet that river... at least half pot and probably push.

I'm guessing for the straight flush if Ice is beat. I still don't think it's a good idea to check behind because a straight will pay you off and if he's fishy enough, and the bet ize indicates it, he might pay you off with two-pair/set.

i push. No way I'm checking thinking someone has a higher backdoor flush.

I didnt get to see what he had because PT doesnt show mucked cards at showdown on RiverBelle. That bites.

After thinking about this more, I really need to pound the river here. I ve been shying away from playing big pots during this ho hum streak Im on and not getting paid off handsomly on hands like this is compounding the problem. I used to make a killing on hands like this. Theres no way hes putting me on the flush or an 8 the way I played it. Im going to start turning up the heat on these fish and play my normal game against the better players.

well i think he can put you on an 8 because of your turn raise.

my guess is he shared the straight with you.

any kind of bet here from value bet to all-in is better then a check. i think this bad streak has scared you...