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Damn you set over set!

Postby odogg » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:44 pm

How willing are you to lose with set over set?

Assuming a rainbow flop with no draws are you willing to push with any set?
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Postby k3nt » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:52 pm

Unless the stacks are insanely deep, which they never are where I play, then yes I'm looking to get all-in whenever I hit any set on a draw-free board.

Last night was my first set over set in ages. I had 33, flop came 853. The preflop raiser is betting, I'm raising, and a short stack goes all-in. The preflop raiser calls, I call. The rest of the money between me and the preflop raiser goes in on the turn, which is another rag. The short stack had 88, the preflop raiser had TT (!!!) and then catches a T on the river (!!!!) so it ended up set over set over set. The side pot would have been enough to make me a profit on the hand, but I lost that too oh well.
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Postby AlamedaMike » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:54 pm

I have not folded a set yet unless I was dead sure that he had a straight or a flush. I am not that good of a player to lay down a set.

Some players are if facing a draw heavy board.

I flopped a set when the board had 3 of a suit a few times and went for my FH each time. I made it a few times. I try to make sure that I have 3:1 pot odds.

35% chance for a FH with 2 cards to come.

So set over set I am going to lose my stack unless it is like $1000 all-in. That might slow me down - might

I flopped a set in a live game with 3 diamonds and pushed all in for $450 on the Turn and missed it. $1400 pot. I had some fold equity - he alomst mucked his small flush.
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Postby T-Rod » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:45 pm

I'm probably not going to fold a set in your scenario (no draws, etc.)

I think long-term you are very +EV to not fold a set. For every set over set there are many more times where AA couldn't let go or two pair couldn't let go, etc.

However, I've been wondering about playing bottom set. I'm thinking of looking at Aperfect10's query (I'd have to convert to Postgres first--yikes) to see if I have bottom set in a settish flop and I meet resistance, should I try NOT to push here and just get to showdown cheap. Check/call type of stuff instead of just pushing. My gut says this is probably better.

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