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Postby shobute » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:08 am

1/2. I have 200, other guy covers and he's a stranger to me.

I pick up [As] [Ks] in the SB, 2nd hand at the table.
3 limpers to me and I make it 12.
2 of them call.

Flop comes [Ac] [6c] [6s], pot 36.
I bet 20 first limper folds and other guy minraises.
I call.

Turn [3s], pot 110.
I bet 55, he minraises, I push for the remaining 50 or whatever it is.

Please tell me this is a bad beat story.
I've had a few lately and I need a pat on the back.
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Postby Twelver » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:16 am

2 min raises? You are definately beat, or at best splitting the pot. My guess is he has AA. I think After the second min raise I can easily fold this. At this point you have $107 invested....save your other $93 b/c he has you beat.
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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:50 am

I don't know. This is a pretty safe board for you. The only think you worry about is him have a 6. Do you use PT? If you do, I datamine for 30-40 min before I sit down just for such an occasion.

To be honest, I probably reraise on the flop or check raise all in on the turn. If he's doing it with a flush draw, make him pay on the flop. If you think he might have a weaker ace and he'll bet the turn, check raise there. I know a min-raise = monster but there are a good amount of hands you beat and the only hands you don't want to see are A6, 66 or 6x. Against a non boat, you picked up outs on the turn.

I don't think I can blame you if you go broke here because this will often be a good flop for you. Turn lead out is bad IMO unless you think he's on a flush draw so you should be ahead.
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Postby shobute » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:02 pm

I cannot believe he has AA.
He limped in MP, I just don't buy it.

As for making him pay for the flush draw on the flop, I'm not sure I agree...
I already bet 2/3 pot, so he didn't have odds to chase.
I think his minraise is saying that he wants a free card, or that he has a monster.

If he wants a free card he ain't getting one.
If the turn is a non-club I can then put the gears to him.

If he has a monster, well, it's AA or 6x.
I don't buy AA and there are very few 6x hands I think he would call my preflop raise with.

I put him much more squarely on AK-AJ, or some flush draw.

Am I making a mistake in my analysis?
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Postby briachek » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:17 pm

I put him on AQ or AJ so I can't fault your analysis i guess. This is one of the few times I play TPTK strong. I still think you need to reraise that flop.
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Postby Twelver » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:43 pm

I completely overlooked the fact that he limped in MP. I, for some reason thought that the villan was the preflop raiser. I agree that AA is very unlikely. A hand that is possible(although unlikely) that has not been mentioned is 66. I could see, or I guess I should say I have seen people min raise on every street with quads...just so they could give someone who is chasing a draw the odds to do so. I still think you are beat. 6x looks a lot more likely....
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Postby shobute » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:16 pm

Okay, well, thanks for the replies but I'm still feeling shaky.

Anyway, the other guy here had [Ac] [6c] and I was drawing to one out.

I also figured that if by some chance he did have a 6, I would at least be safely drawing to my flush outs plus the other 2 aces.

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Postby k3nt » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:18 am

Doesn't matter how unlikely a hand containing a 6 is: you bet strong twice and he minraised you twice. I'm folding the turn.
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