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big semibluff into a crowd

Postby dasani123 » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:24 pm

is this the right place to do something like this? as long as i do the same thing with a set/straight on a similar board?

pp 50nl 6max (5 handed)
no reads yet, 2nd hand at table.

stack sizes
sb(hero): 50.25
bb: 57.35
utg: 36.93
utg+1: 43.47
button: 27.75

i get KsQs in the sb. 3 limpers to me. i call. bb min raises, everyone calls.

5 to the flop ($5):
2h 4s 3s

i check, bb bets .50, 2 calls and button makes it 4. i push.
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Postby BadBeatMan » Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:43 pm

Its a dbl edged sword.

You're probably against a straight or a set here, at worst 2 pair. So your overcards dont do much for you, at the same time another spade will kill your action.

So getting your money in now will pay off big if another spade hits unless you're up against Ax(s)

You're a dog here and Im not a big fan of getting my money in while Im behind.
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Re: big semibluff into a crowd

Postby rdale » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:44 pm

This is the kind of hand where you don't really want a call and if you do get called you want it to be from the half stack. No reads I wouldn't be tempted to push here, but think I'm likely to get priced in on drawing to my flush. The pot was unraised preflop and isn't really sweet enough to justify trying to make a power play at it now.

If you are all about gambling to get the big stack and don't mind dropping a buy in to do it, I think this is a fine spot to run a high variance play. I hate that approach to the game. I would rather squeeze out made hands to get a big stack then run these sorts of crazy plays on winnings when I'm tripled or quadrupled up. It insures you big action later on your sets, and keeps people from only calling you when you are beat, which I find to be the danger of big stack play. When you appear to be gambling like this from way ahead of the game, the actual risk to you having a losing session is low, while you encourage massive mistakes on your made hands. I don't mind huge swings when I can absorb them and get them back and then some later, I hate massive swings early in a game.
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Postby Rhound50 » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:49 pm

I really dont like this play at all. There is $10 in the pot and you push all in for $50. You are only going to get action from hands that have you behind, if there was $50 in the pot already this is a fine play, but the pot is relatively small. There is a decent chance you as much as a 3:1 underdog.
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Postby ChipMagnet » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:20 am

wow, I only fold the winning hand 22.693444 percent. Guess I still suck
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Postby kennyg » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:15 am

I don't know why some of you guys think the button has such a monster. I'd make the same raise with A4 or 99. Maybe even a flush draw if I'm feeling happy :)

I dunno...it's a tough situation. What if you raised to $20 instead? If you get called you have a tough decison, but you're still getting the same fold equity at less risk? They have no idea what you have either..since you're in the sb. And if you get reraised right there...you can put the rest of your money in knowing you have decent enough pot odds.

I may be out of line with this one. What do you guys think?
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:07 am

I would just call most times, but I dont think its that bad of a play. The raise to $4 isnt that big. The pot was already $5. The guy could have something like 99. If so, KQs is the fav.
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Postby rdale » Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:01 am

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Postby dasani123 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:09 pm

if i lead and get raised, i reraise all in. but whats your plan if i lead and get called?
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