Another reason to raise here on the turn, is to get more money into the pot, I still like my odds in ths situation only 3 cards take away the nuts. I want to raise this turn because a raise here doesnt look like AA, and this may lead your opponant to think that you have AK and his flush draw is good if it hits, even if he just has a single big card, if he calls your raise. The pot will be bigger and you can get more money here on the river with a value bet. Say you did both have 12k in front of you and your opponant bets $200 into you. If you call the pot is only is $500, so maybe you make a pot bet on the river if he calls you win a $1500 pot. If you raise the turn to $500 and get called the pot is now $1100 a pot bet on the river makes the total pot $3000, so by raising the turn you double the amount you make. Yes your opponant might fold, but if he folds the turn, there are very few river cards that will get you any more money.

Realisticly I'm not that afraid of a Str8flush, yes he is the blinds but a call here seems even more like a small PP to me especilaly with the stack depths here. So in this case either our opponant made a baby boat, or it trying to take down the pot, thinking maybe he ha the best hand, or his opponant has KK and he can push him off his hand. If he made the baby boat, I wanna raise and built the pot, so that I can have a better chance of him calling my bigger river bet. If he didnt make his boat and you raise he is going to fold to your raise, but with this same hand he is not going to call a big river bet either way.

Maybe he is playing in a different game than me, but if someone can push and beat quads so be it. I would bet my grandmothers dentures no matter what card fell next. Likely hood is that he has baby flush baby boat, puts you on A KQJ and isn't going anywhere if you raise the turn unless he was bluffing to begin with. I think either play pumping the pot up to $700 now or smooth calling and pumping up the pot on the river is fine, and taking your opponents level of aggression into play is the correct way to decide how to get the most money in the pot. He may even have a hand like KQ[s] and won't be able to get away from it at the turn as he likely doesn't put you on the boat but the board double pairing on the river will scare the jeebus out of him.

I agree w/ rdale... if you flop quads and are still playing scared, you're playing even tighter than me... I wonder if anyone here can find the odds of hitting quads when someone has a straight flush...

Hitting quads against a straight flush normally sets off a bad beat jackpot!

The article makes a lot of sense to me. Yes, you can't be playing scared, but that doesn't mean you should overlook the odds.

Put it this way. If you have $1,000,000 behind you, you had better be raising the turn! You can't charge the guy just the $200 he's already bet with a possible payoff of 5,000 to 1 if he should hit. Make him pay for his one-outer (if he has it).

The example is extreme, but the basic point makes sense to me. With anything other than the stone cold can't be beaten nuts, you have to think at least a little bit about letting a guy see free or very cheap cards, especially when stacks are very deep.

Like i said, I would probably raise the turn. Not because I want to make sure I dont lose all my money to a str8 flush, but because I want to take all his money and I cant do it if i dont build the pot now.

Since it is nigh impossible to put someone on legitmate quads versus a high set, wouldnt a raise here either

1) Prompt a fold from a low possible straight flush(already low flush) due to the idea you have the higher flush

2) Prompt a raise from a flush figuring your being an idiot with your Asomething K[s] and wanting you to pay to fill your boat up or draw to the better flush.

Making it... Player Dependent


If anyone in this forum can read a player for 4 of a kind on two of a kind board then I'm mistaken.