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600NL 5max, 2 hands from my first session.

Postby Zmej » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:04 am

Well, I gradually try to move up and yesterday I played my first 600NL session. I still implelment the policy of gradual adjustment, i.e. I add one table for higher levels while playing on several tables from the lower ones, then I add (or drop) one at a time depending on how I run etc.

2 Hands that seemed interesting.
All the feedback is welcome as always. I’ll post my thoughts later.

Hand1.
BB is quite bad postflop, he is one of the reasons I play on this table. BB has about 400, I cover.

Preflop: I raise on CO to 16 with [7s] [6s], all fold BB calls.
Flop (35): [Js] [8h] [4s]
BB checks, I bet 33, BB calls.
Turn (101): [2c]
BB checks, I check.
River (101): [7h]
BB bets 50, I?

If someone suggests to bet turn, how would you handle a CR AI.


Hand2.
SB is a TAG who is rather straightforward postflop. He has about 1000. UTG seems to be regular TAG too, though I haven’t seen him before, he 3 bet a couple of times before, and seem to play ok postflop. He has about 700. I cover both. I was playing 28/13, not getting out of line preflop (i.e. not many 3 bets), while I made quite a few moves postflop. Mainly suuccesful, but I was catched bluffing a couple of times. I amnot sure if they paid attention though.

Preflop: UTG raises to 20, I reraise to 60 OTB with [As] [Kh], SB calls!!!!, UTG calls.
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Ok, what range do you put SB and UTG at this point. IMO SB’s hand is pretty well defined here, as for UTG range we can exclude some hands from it.
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Flop (180): [Kd] [7h] [5d]

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Checked to me. How much do I bet here? What would be my plan if SB calls? (IMO that’s a nightmare scenario).
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I bet 111, SB folds, UTG thinks and raises to 330, I?
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Postby Zmej » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:28 am

Hand1. I bet lots of turns with draws, but here IMO is a wrong spot to do that. There are several factors that made me check turn, if one of them was different I probably would bet. (Feel free to disagree with me here, I am open for a discussion.)

1. Stack sizes, if we were 100BB deep I would bet here, because even if he CR turn I can call and put the rest on the river if I hit. With these stacks if he CR it would be an ugly spot, as I would have a break-evenish call to make. (Not a good idea in my book.)
2. The quality of the draw, if I could be sure that all my outs are live here I probably would bet too. Let say I had [Ks] [Qs], on a [Js] [9h] [4s] board. it would likely be a bet even with these stack sizes.
3. The quality of opponent. If I were against a normal TAG I would bet too, as I would have more folding equity, i.E. TAG would often fold T9, flush draws, 8x, may be even Jx. While againsta bad postflop player folding equity here is close to 0, as he would call here with any hand that he called a flop bet.

As for the river call/fold, I am not sure if it is an easy fold here. I doubt that he would bet 8x here. It's a weakish bet if he has T9. Jx is possible though as well as missed draws.
Results later

Hand2. As JJSCOTT2 correctly mentions QQ and JJ are in SB range, but I think that all other PP are in his calling range as well. I think SB range here is 22-QQ, we are deep enough, so that he can assume a big pay-off if he hits a set. So if he called my flop bet I probably would fold to any significant action from him.

I also think that we can exclude AA and KK from UTG range, after action gets back to him and there is almost 33BB in the pot he would be happy to push and take it right there with these hands.

So I was glad that SB folded. Then how we deal with UTG raise? AK is posssible here sure, as well as sets and flush draws. Though I think that the probablilities are not the same here for different hands.
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Postby Zmej » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:53 am

I thought these were interesting/marginal hands, worth of discussion…

Results:
Hand1. I made a marginal call, as I felt that he could play flush draw like that. In retrospect I am not even sure if it was +EV call. He had [Qs] [9s].

Hand2. There I went from effective stacks point of view. With 33BB going in preflop, the game becomes effectively shortstacked, i.e. effective pot / stacks ratio becomes like 1:3, in this situation TPTK is a monster and should be taken to the felt almost always. So I pushed over his CR (I suspected AK for UTG), he called with [Td] [9d]. (And missed, yeah!)
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