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4 hands I'm curious about

Postby NWCougar » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:44 am

The first hand is a bad beat, the second is unlucky and the final two saved my ass. If you have any critique or observations about my play, thank you in advance. i wrote the questions that I have after each hand. I just moved to 5/10

1. PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Qs], [Qc].
Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) [Th], [8h], [Qd] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP1 folds, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) [Jc] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (21.50 BB) [6d] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Hero has Qs Qc (three of a kind, queens).
UTG+2 has As Kd (straight, ace high).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 24.50 BB.


Preflop am I weak?
Muck on the Turn?
was the overcall bad?

2. PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [9d], [Td].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) [5d], [2c], [5h] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (5.25 BB) [8d] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button folds, BB folds.

River: (8.25 BB) [Ad] (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Jd Qd (flush, ace high).
Hero has 9d Td (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14.25 BB.


Was the turn call donkish?
River raise a bad idea?

3. PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [9s], [Js].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) [5s], [2s], [4s] (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11 BB) [Qc] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (15 BB) [Tc] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 19 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ad Ac (one pair, aces).
UTG+2 doesn't show.
MP1 doesn't show.
Hero has 9s Js (flush, jack high).
Outcome: Hero wins 19 BB.


Safe play calling down or a big stinky pussy?

4. PokerRoom 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [8d], [Ad].
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO raises, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) [9h], [Td], [Js] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) [Jd] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

River: (6.75 BB) [Qd] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO folds, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below:
UTG doesn't show.
Hero has 8d Ad (straight flush, queen high).
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 9.75 BB.


Should I have folded to the flop bet?
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Postby phatlad » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:11 am

If you're gonna play trash, expect it to get taken out.

(I hate those people who quote themselves, but that's one of my original lines).
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Postby NWCougar » Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:31 am

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Postby woody » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:17 am

Hand 1: Preflop I raise QQ UTG. Otherwise I would have played it the same. You have odds on the turn to try for a full house on the river. For one bet I would have called on the river also.

Hand 2: I would have played it the same as you. Preflop I think that the limp is fine with 2 players already in the hand. On the turn, I would have called to try for the flush or the overcards. On the river, I would have probably raised and called the reraise, although after the reraise I think that I am beat here. The better could be betting on a pair of aces, or a lower flush draw.

Hand 3: I would play the hand the same way. After getting 3 bet on the flop, I call the hand down. I would be afraid of a higher flush, although it doesn't appear too likely. I can't believe the 2 other callers stayed around as long as they did.

Hand 4: Preflop, the limp is borderline but OK. I might fold here though because I don't like the early position. If 2 had called ahead of me, I would definitely call. On the flop, you have an overcard, a straight draw and a backdoor nut flush draw. I feel that is enough to call and see what the turn will bring.

The above is strictly my opinion. I have nothing to back it up other than my own experience. Others may differ.
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Postby The Golden 1 » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:37 pm

Hand 1 preflop you have to raise to thin the field and value. And you should've raised the turn with all those callers with the better and 3 callers in front of you you have to raise as you will hit the river about 3:1 and its +ev to raise.

Hand 2 I would fold preflop, suited connectors are meant to be played in much larger pots then that, like 3-4 limpers ahead of you it just isn't a very good hand.

Hand 3 cap the flop, you are most likely ahead here and are only behind an overflush (very unlikely. If you're not going to do that, then you can call but should raise and non spade turn, basically get the money in there, you're ahead small blind can really only have the AKs, AQs or KQs there and if he does I'll take the consequences.

Hand 4 Is a fold in early position, again its not a very good hand.

For the most part, calling in limit poker is wrong, it just is. You should be raising and reraising a lot or folding, keep the agression up its the only way to beat the game and especially the rake at 5/10.
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Postby phatlad » Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:57 pm

If you're gonna play trash, expect it to get taken out.

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Postby NWCougar » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:54 pm

thanks guys, I appreciate getting an honest opinion from everyone
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