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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:08 pm

Background: I started playing poker with limit, I played about a year on and off up until about the 2/4 limit and then I got into NL hardcore and that's what I've been playing for the past year or two. I got bored of poker and decided to go back and play some limit to mix it up and try to gain some expertise in that form of the game. Turns out, I've completely forgotten how to play. I just don't really feel that confident and I think I may be calling some stuff down when I know I'm beat where I should be folding maybe. Anyway, I'm playing Party .5/1 and I'm gonna post some hands to get some feedback.

Hand 1:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [Kh], [Kc].
1 fold, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) [2d], [8h], [4c] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) [2s] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (8.75 BB) [6d] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has Jd Js (two pair, jacks and twos).
Hero has Kh Kc (two pair, kings and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 10.75 BB.


My concern with this hand is that since the flop is not scaring me at all, if I just call the flop raise, he will probably lead the turn at which point I could raise and get 2 bets on the turn. Overall it would only gain me 1/2 BB, but I feel like that would be the right move. Thoughts?

Hand 2:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Jh], [Jc].
Hero raises, 7 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) [Ts], [7h], [Th] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) [7s] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) [4d] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Qh Tc (full house, tens full of sevens).
Hero has Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: BB wins 7.25 BB.


I kind of felt like I was beat from the get go here which is why I played it the way I did, but I felt horrible about it and I'm not really sure what the right line is.
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:18 pm

Thanks for that response. It also seems that I have to keep reminding myself that I can't justify calls using implied odds for the most part (obviously they still exist to some extent but not like in NL) so what I'm thinking is: How do we feel about playing pairs under TT in EP? And then some more hands from today. So far im at like -.33BB/100 for my first 1000 hands, but this doesn't bother me much, the fact that its only the first day of playing, and only 1000 hands can explain this.

Hand 3:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [8s], [9s]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) [5s], [9h], [7h] (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (4 BB) [8h] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (7 BB) [2c] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Jd Jc (one pair, jacks).
CO has Kh 6h (a flush, king high).
Hero has 8s 9s (two pair, nines and eights).
Outcome: CO wins 10BB


So my major problem here is that I knew it was likely that the flush had been hit on the turn, if I bet again, and get raised, I have odds to call for the FH, as it was, given the fact that he would have given me at least one more bet on the river, I had odds to call for the FH. So what's the right move here? And then on the river, can I fold this, or is this a call that I have to make?

Hand 4:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Jc], [Kc].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) [Qc], [Tc], [5h] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) [6h] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (11.75 BB) [4s] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Jc Kc (high card, king).
Button has Ac Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Button wins 13.75 BB.


On this hand, since there was so much money in the pot and the only possible way I could win the hand was to bet on the off chance that he had a missed draw or something like that, so I went ahead and bet my nothing. Is this a reasonable idea or should I just give up?

Hand 5:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [4c], [4h].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) [Ah], [4s], [7d] (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) [Qc] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (12.50 BB) [3s] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Td Ac (one pair, aces).
UTG has Ts Ad (one pair, aces).
MP2 has 5d 6d (straight, seven high).
Hero has 4c 4h (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: MP2 wins 20.50 BB.


Do I check this river? I don't really think I want to fall into the habit of assuming that someone made a hand when there was only one hand out there that could have been completed, but on the other hand it pissed me off that I lost 2BB on the end because of that check raise. Nobody folds to this river check-raise right? I mean, its painfully obvious at that point that he has the straight, but with 20BB in the pot, I'm pretty sure I can't afford to fold.
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Postby Tiburon » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:53 pm

Hand 3:

That board is frightening, especially at 0.50/1. Many players will play any two suited, so especially at the lower limits, and more especially with 5 to the flop, if you don't have the flush, somebody probably does. You're also drawing way behind JT, a favorite hand among low-limit limpers.

Laying down top two is a tough laydown, but to that board, it's the proper play. You're getting 5-to-1 odds to draw to 4 outs for the full house (10.5-to-1). You don't have odds to call that turn bet at all. Make the laydown there.

Hand 4:

You raise in the cutoff with KJs (great play), then call 2 cold to get to the cap. Calling 2 bets cold pre-flop is never a good play, though if there is a place to do it, it's 0.50/1. Then, you flop the open-ended straight flush draw. You have a TON of outs here. Without knowing that the button has AA (but the pre-flop cap somewhat tells you something...), you apparently have 6 outs for the straight (9's and A's), and 9 outs for the flush (any club). 15 outs is a truckload in LHE. Even considering that the button has that hand, you lose 2 outs for his aces, and the only thing you fear is running clubs.

In all seriousness, and looking in retrospect, you have 13 good outs. You're 2.13-to-1 to get to your hand. Your flop play is EXCELLENT. Very aggressive. I even like the turn bet. My question, however, is this: Were you trying to bluff at the river? With a pot at 9.75BB, you're giving an opponent a reason to call. Using ToP argument, if he calls and you're bluffing 9.3% of the time, his call is correct.

You missed your hand--let it go. Think 3rd level of thought--What does my opponent THINK I have? For him with AA, he's only behind QQ, TT, 66, 55, 44, or QT. He knows you just CAN'T have another two pair hand, because nobody is THAT donkalicious pre-flop. If you have one of those, he's calling you down anyway. To him, you could easily have AK, AQ, a busted draw--a lot of hands.

Hand 5:
Limp preflop, call a raise from the SB. Your positional advantage alone is enough to call that raise. The flop is your Yahtzee flop. You're taking an ace with you, you're taking A-rag with you. Beautiful.

I like your play overall. You did everything right, you were just drawn out on.
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