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Crazy live game again

Postby Aisthesis » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:10 am

Somewhat different table configuration tonight, and I again bought in for $400.

I didn't notice as many flush chasers, but more boat chasers--like on straight boards, auto-call with any set. In unraised pots, of which there were quite a few (maybe 40% raised pots?), you'd typically get something like 4 callers on the flop, and for most, AA seemed bettable regardless of board into a field of around 7.

I didn't really get involved in anything serious for a fair while but did decide at some point (after more or less treading water) to buy for an extra $200. The game really plays like a 2/5, and there were just so many deep stacks playing like idiots that I thought having $600 at hand was a good idea. My plan in general at the moment (now that the PLO seems to have stabilized with 2 tables running tonight, so no lack of players) is to leave if get over $1,000. If I can get my roll in better shape, I'll probably revise that upward, but I'm not experienced in deep-stack PLO, and $1,000 in one shot is as much as I care to risk for now.

From the way the game was playing, I concluded that raising any truly premium from any position was a good idea. After I rebought, I just made it standard of $30-$35, thinking primarily of stack-depth (getting 5% in PF). Moreover, with the likely at least 4 and probably 5 callers, they did start to think twice about calling the flop with just any kind of junk (in unraised pots, one could almost say that the hand really began on the turn, and I wanted some degree of seriousness earlier than that). Also, there seemed a fair degree of disinclination to re-raise AA at this particular table. So, I included hands like KK97ss in LP (and would have raised KK97ds from anywhere) as well as the usual just good hands. I mention this simply because I was just a little looser with raises in LP (maybe 12% as guess) than in EP (probably more like 7%). Anyhow, what I really want when I hit the flop and am willing to bet is to be able to put my opponents on serious hands if they call a bet of $200 or so rather than having to deal with ridiculous runner-runner situations with 5 players seeing the turn.

Now a hand, that really plays itself post-flop, but which was my big hand of the night and kind of gives an idea of how all this was working (including the fact that they obviously realize I'm playing ultra-tight compared to the rest of the table and play a little differently against me as a result).

I have 9d9h8c6d in MP1, I believe it was, with around $550 in chips. The rock (player who won the last hand puts in $5 automatically and the PF action starts to his left) is in LP, so by the time it gets to me, most of the table has called, and I make it $30, getting 6 callers. By the way, I'm playing this game VERY nut-peddly--semi-bluffs, sure, but these are all going to be on big hands only in multi-way raised pots (in a limp pot, I'd definitely bet nut flush draw to checks, but that's about as far as I'd go).

Anyhow, I say all of this because I'd be very interested in feedback on that.

The hand is really more or less LC (except for the OOP raise): Flop comes 457 with 2 diamonds. I pot for $200 and get 1 caller. Turn offsuit 9 (no other flush draw), so now I have top set, nut straight, and presumably just blockers in diamonds. I pot again for stack, get a caller, and board pairs on the river, with a win for me.

I count my chips at $1,131, and leave the table when the blind comes around.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:29 pm

I don't really see the point of the PFR but the rest of the hand looks fine to me.
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:50 pm

The effects of the PFR are really just creating a bigger pot with a hand having much more potential than those likely to call and secondly to be able to thin the field on the flop.

The way this board developed, I really don't care if I have 5 callers on the flop when I hit. My hand becomes an uber-monster on the turn. But normally, if I hit a powerful draw or a set, I want to have some idea of where callers are at. If I can only bet $40 on the flop, I'd be likely to get 4 or 5 callers--well, maybe with my tight image only 3. That just seemed to be the way this table was playing. If I can bet $200, they're not calling on that board with a gutshot or naked AA (well, actually, maybe) or something like that.

I think raising premium hands more routinely from any position tends to exacerbate their mistake of chronically seeing the flop with any 4.

Anyhow, as I see it for now, a raise just inflates MY pots with good hands and makes it possible to thin the field reasonably on flops that I like. If I can get a little more fold equity going, I think it can also enable me to start betting a little thinner and taking it down often (more like the online game).
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